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Tuesday, March 19, 2019

Thoughts for the week by Ron Owen 20/3/2019

Thoughts For The Week.
“What you do in your lifetime will echo down through eternity”,
Marcus Aurelius.
Thoughts for the Week,
Is this the Start of Catastrophic Abyss?
Malevolent Media.
It only needs a ‘Left Wing Nut case’, (M16,SIS visits & Russian Terrorist lists) with an agenda to support Communist China to kill 50 people and the Maleficent Media have a piranha like feeding frenzy on the innocent firearm owners. They dance in the bloody intestines of good people turning, night into day and black into white. When he is positively “left wing” yet they say a “right wing extremist”. Two attacks at the same time, yet now say “one lone wolf gunman”. No one asks why one of the Mosques attacked had a firearm and fired back at the attacker chasing him away, or is that a case of a firearm stopping a massacre and the media wants to know nothing about it? ‘Gunman’ but never ‘Bombman’ he had two Bombs. The media says ‘Only Right Wing extremists’ are ‘Mass killers’, forgetting the Islamics who have massacred 84,000 people since 911. The ‘Left Wing Nutcase’ stated in his manifesto that he wanted stop civilian firearm ownership, so the NZ government carry out his agenda, banning firearms in New Zealand. Meanwhile, in Australia 55 million dollars is given to Australian Islamic Mosques if this was going to Christian churches the media would scream that the government is establishing a religion in breach of the Section 116 of the Constitution. Media Control is the Manufactured Consent on the Road Serfdom. Who Controls the Media?
As in last month’s “Thought for the Week” I explained the logical reasoning why people choose to live in a community, and not live in nature (the log cabin within isolate families).  To explain, in return Good Government has a responsibility to the people who elect and support them. This month I wanted to explain in detail how those four main reasons form the legs of the table that support a nation state.
The Social Contract (nothing to do with Socialism) is the basis of Constitutional Government.
1. Defence, from internal and external aggression.
2. Defence of Property.
3. Resort to Justice.
4. Defence of Individual Rights, including Free Speech, Movement, Thought and the right to defend all of the above with arms suitable for their defence.
‘That a Good Government has a sacred duty to protect its citizens, when they fail to do this, the duty, not just the right, devolves to the Citizen themselves.’
However, due to the tragedy in Christchurch, New Zealand and the insane response by our media and puppet parliament, I can use this as an example of how modern governments are in severe breach of our Social Contract.
Firstly, let me say that the creatures that orchestrated and carried out this despicable attack on civilians including women and children are monsters and if found guilty by a jury of 12 should receive the death penalty. For all attacks like this, which ever ideology that the victims follow,

Senator Anning and his wife Fiona visiting the Owen Guns Trust Museum.,
the perpetrators have no excuses, no defence, they have a political motive, they are employed to destroy the cohesion within a community.
In the manifesto Tarrant states Remove the Rights and Freedoms of the public and be intent on killing as many victims as possible to achieve that goal. They are every sane person’s enemy and should be put down as quickly as possible, in the same manner as we should treat all mass killers of civilians.
Government Break’s Down the Social Contract.
Defence has Been Removed.
A. Government without permission from its people, provide for invasion of an alien culture to settle within its borders. These alien people support an extremist ideology of World Conquest, conversion to Islam or die, which threatens the lives of the host nation. Converting an external threat into an internal threat is not defending its own people.
B. Government countenanced the import to New Zealand of a terrorist, again failing to defend the people from external and internal threat.
C. Government failed to defend the worshippers at the two Mosque’s.
Justice Will be Removed.
This event will be used as a tool to destroy more legs to the table, as 500,000 plus innocent firearm owners will bare the brunt of this guilt.  The media have already charged them, and put them before a Kangaroo Court and they have been found Guilty and sentenced to losing their rights, property and freedoms.

Even though,
“A second shooting happened at a mosque in the Linwood area of the city. One Friday prayer goer returned fire with a rifle or shotgun. Witnesses said they heard multiple gunshots around 1.45pm. A well known Muslim local chased the shooters and fired two shots at them as they sped off. He was heard telling police officers he was firing in “self defence“.”They were in a silver Subaru,” he told police.” from the NZ Herald.
This proves,
1. That firearms in the hands of the victims saved lives at one Mosque;
2. That where civilians are disarmed as in the other Mosque they are killed with ease as the Police were not in attendance for 36 minutes.
To disarm the citizens when the government has abrogated its responsibility to defend, makes this a duty not just a right for the civilians to defend their families and themselves. This again breaches the Social Contract, the reasons that we chose to live in a community.
We the innocent firearm owners in Australia will also suffer the ‘slings and arrows’ of this outrageous fortune with further losses to our rights.
The suspects also had ‘Bombs”. Are they going to ‘Ban Bombs’ of course not as they are banned already, which also goes to show that banning firearms in the same fashion is no deterrent to these, terrorists of any persuasion. These tragedies only serve as false excuses for politicians who continually demand more power in the hands of themselves.
As soon as one leg of the Social Contract table is removed all of the other three are broken and reduced to firewood. The media and the government will quickly remove the blame from the suspects and place it squarely on the shoulders of the firearm owners.
Property Will Be Removed.
When the New Zealand government legislates to remove the semi-auto rifles and shotguns and maybe pump action shotguns it removes the rights of its citizens to own the product of their labour. When a bird works to unearth a worm, the worm belongs to the bird and his family, the bird can if it wishes distribute the worm to its family. Once the precedent is made that allow governments to take property of one person and give it to another such as the police, then they can use that precedent to take any property they like because the public has not been strong enough to resist these impositions.
The only way that they can disarm the innocent firearm owners is to send other men with guns to take them away.

The Freedom of Speech Has Been Removed.
On Sunday 17th of March 2019 Facebook informs me that my post has been removed and I have been sent to Facebook silence Prison for Seven Days. Appealed of course as I could not find anything in the text that insults anyone or threatens or berates in bad language, but I stay banned. Please read and spread about far and wide if you feel that it is fair comment.
“Again the Truth has to be suppressed. Senator Fraser Anning speaks the truth. This tragedy would not have happened if it was not for New Zealand’s Immigration Policy. Obviously, if there were no Muslim in New Zealand there would be no Mosques and no Muslims to be shot. Same as with Australia No Muslims no Problems, No Sharia Killings and No Vigilante Response. If we have a cohesive unified population we have no terrorism. This could not have happened in Japan, not because of their Gun laws but because they have No Muslim immigration.
Were we asked if we wanted an Islamic community within Australia, Were the Brits, or the Germans or the New Zealand’s asked, No, they were not. The Governments knew that eventually the people would rebel against this invasion. No one blamed the Maori people from rebelling against their invaders.???  Ron.
I then included an image of Senator Fraser Annning’s Press Release.

Senator Anning lashed out at New Zealand for the way it handled immigration.
“I am utterly opposed to any form of violence within our community, and I totally condemn the actions of the gunman,” Senator Anning said in his statement.
“However, while this kind of violent vigilantism can never be justified, what it highlights is the growing fear within our community, both in Australia and New Zealand, of the increasing Muslim presence.
“As always, left-wing politicians and the media will rush to claim that the causes of today’s shootings lie with gun laws or those who hold nationalist views but this is all clich├ęd nonsense.
“The real cause of bloodshed on New Zealand streets today is the immigration program which allowed Muslim fanatics to migrate to New Zealand in the first place.” “What effect has this idiot had on us? (Tarrent) He has given the elites carte blanche to censor the internet at every stroke.
I have never condoned a tit-for-tat response here, nor advocated for violence and murder, and will keep working to share my concerns about some of these things in a peaceful manner. Legitimate concerns about runaway immigration, creeping sharia and the like are fully fair and need to be heard. But resorting to what the jihadists do daily is not the way to proceed.”
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison has already referred a censor motion to parliament to try and silence Senator Fraser Anning. Quote, “Parliament, I’m sure, will express a very clear view about what he’s had to say,” Mr Morrison said.
Our governments and media cannot abide any opinion that shows them in an ill light. We have to make that small candle light into a spotlight exposing the truth. Already we have those wanting to clamp down further on conservative sites, and censor the internet.
Again, the media, most political leaders and most experts are already speaking of how Muslims are living in fear, and are talking as if they experience such fear every day. Yet, they have NOT been the main victims of terrorism acts. They have been the main perpetrators.

As mentioned the blame game is already happening. As just one example, one social media post said this was directly due to the words and policies of people like Senator Fraser Anning.
Here is a Quiz, is there any of these tragedies, below, that have not got as much air and media attention as this current media feeding frenzy in New Zealand. Could it seem that Muslim lives are much more important, or does the media have the bit between its teeth as it hunts up hysteria to produce the Gun Bans that it loves.
Do you recall the same fury for these disasters or does this current media play remind you of the Port Arthur delirium?
2002 Bali bombings in the tourist district of Kuta on the Indonesian island of Bali, killing 202 people and injuring 240
2004 Madrid, Spain train bombings The explosions killed 193 people and injured around 2,000.
2004 Beslan, Russia school Killing 385
2005 7 July London bombings – Four suicide bombers attacked London Underground trains and a double decker bus during the morning rush hour killing 52 and injuring 784.
2013 Kenya Westgate shopping mall attack killing 67 injuring 175
2015 Kenya April 2 148 people, most of them Christian students killed 148
2015 France November 13 A series of terrorist attacks in Paris kill 137, and wound 368.
2015 Belgium March 22 2016 Brussels bombings that resulted in 35 deaths and 300 wounded.
2016 United States June 12 49 people were killed and 53 injured in a mass shooting at a nightclub in Orlando, Florida. The shooter, Omar Mateen, pledged allegiance to ISIL .
2016 France July 14 87 people (including the perpetrator Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel) died during the Bastille day attack in Nice, 434 were injured.
2017 Manchester UK.Arena Bombing Twenty-three people died, and 139 were wounded, more than half of them children.
2017 London UK March 22 A man drove a car into pedestrians on the south side of Westminster Bridge, injuring 49 people, 4 of them fatally.
2017 London UK. London Bridge attack, a van ran over multiple pedestrians on the London Bridge. On Borough Market the occupants of the van stabbed multiple people killing 11 and wounding 48.
This is only a few examples to see a huge list click on this link.
Journalists at New Zealand press conference were heard to say”Have we been paying too much attention to Muslim terrorism?” Incredible. Anywhere from 200 to 600 million people have been murdered in the past 1400 years in the name of Islam.
We are now just supposed to forget all about the other terrorism, and pretend that Islam is a religion of peace? Yes non-Muslims can and do commit acts of horrible violence and terror, but not even blood thirsty ideologies like godless communism came close to killing as many people in terms of sheer numbers of Islam.
Indeed, it is at this point that we need to be reminded of some home truths. It is perfectly clear that this sort of violence and terrorism is perpetrated on a daily basis against Christians, Westerners and others by Muslim attackers all around the world. As one example, a new report notes that 11 Christians are killed every day for their beliefs, mostly by Muslims. It looks at the ten most dangerous nations for Christians, and finds eight of them are Islamic nations.
In the meantime, we continue to wonder at the lack of Justice as we seem to have so many double standards today.
Yet even in these early stages, we can see how the leftist media will be operating: they will put this attack down to right wing views, to Christianity, to anti-immigration groups, to the conservative alternative media, and so on. It will be open season on anyone and anything even remotely resembling a conservative, a Christian, or those who have expressed legitimate concern about border policies, and unchecked multiculturalism.
For example, we have just learned on the media that one apparent Muslim terrorist who had planned to bomb an entire plane might be given a free pass: “An Australian-Lebanese man in custody on terrorism charges in Lebanon will be freed on bail this week, after the Australian Government agreed to hand over crucial documents. Amer Khayat, 41, is accused of plotting to blow up an Etihad plane on a flight from Sydney to Abu Dhabi in July 2017 using two bombs, one hidden in a meat grinder and another hidden in a Barbie doll.”
All such killing and attempted killings must be fully and soundly condemned. But the actual historical record is all one-way traffic. Most acts of terrorism conducted around the world are Islamic attacks. Since 9/11 alone there have been nearly 35,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks.

Already we have talking heads asking for stricter Gun Control.
Is it because such killings and attacks are so utterly common and routine, the media give them no coverage so not much outrage is produced. Moreover, every time another Islamic jihad attack occurs, especially in the West, everyone seems to bend over backwards and claim this has nothing to do with Islam and we should not even speak about Islam. They say the whole Muslim religion should not be tarred and feathered because of the actions of these few terrorists, yet have no compunction at all in condemning millions of innocent law abiding firearm owners for the actions of couple of evil idiots. The Difference is Gun Laws, the media and the politicians love it, for them its better than Christmas.
No, the politicians intend to keep increasing immigration and diversity whether we like it or not. They have no right to do this. They have no mandate to do this. Senator Fraser Anning proposed a referendum on immigration and he was torn to shreds by the media for his efforts. They are so intent on tearing the fabric of our societies apart. If they keep ignoring the wishes of the people then soon, Tarrant may yet get the race war he was wishing for, and the rest of us have been trying to avoid. Their delusional obsession with creating a rainbow, multicultural society can only have one outcome.
There is no Spring without Winter, without Mistakes there is no Learning. There is no Life without Death, without Doubts there is no Faith. There is no Peace without War, without Fear there is no Courage. For without Mistakes, Doubts and Fears there are no pathways to Wisdom.
Ron Owen.
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Sunday, March 17, 2019

Global Warming Climate Change & Preparing For the Worst?

Global Warming Climate Change & Preparing For the Worst?
© Keith H. Burgess.
With most of the apocalyptic scenarios we can come up with we all seem to agree that yes they could happen, & yes we should prepare for the worst. But when it comes to increased climate change caused by humans, for some unknown reason we are divided.
Some claim global warming climate change is total fake & say climate change is nothing new, but they ignore the fact that climate change has been increasing since at least the industrial revolution & the temperature rise is now at a dangerous level. Others argue that if global warming is real, how come the Northern Hemisphere is getting such severe winters? Well the facts are that global warming is producing extreme weather conditions worldwide, hot & cold & this was predicted. The other popular theory is that global warming is not really going to be an End of the World event & will go no further than TEOTWAWKI & just sort out the non prepared from the prepared. Why on earth these preppers think that global warming has a set limit I have no idea. Does any of the above sound like these preppers are hoping for the best but preparing for the worst?
It is difficult at best for scientists to predict how quickly global warming climate change will get to the stage where all life on earth will cease to exist. The sun melts the ice, so this ice can no longer reflect the sun. So the world gets hotter, the seas get warmer, one thing changes another thing so as these things change global warming speeds up. We have according to many scientists already left it too late to stabilize climate change at its present level, & our corrupt to the core government ruled by corporatism is NEVER going to do enough to stabilize climate change at any level. That leaves us with three options, 1) the majority of Australians can rise up & take control, sack the government & introduce a new non corrupt governing system. Close down all coal fires power stations; stop all coal mining & logging operations, reduce the amount of traffic on our roads to essential services only. This in my opinion will never happen for several reasons; a) people do not want to lose their jobs, b) people do not want to have to change their present lifestyle. The fact that if they continue as they are they will lose their jobs & their present lifestyle does not enter their heads. When climate change reaches TEOTWAWKI they will all be out of work & their present lifestyle will no longer exist!
2) Some other form of apocalyptic event could take place to save those who are prepared. If such an event were to force the closure of all coal fires power stations & stop mining & logging operations then we might be able to stabilize climate change at the level it is at that time. This is just a theory of course, & frankly barring mass terrorism or a comet strike or a major sudden change in weather conditions or a pandemic etc, etc , I don’t know what it would take to make this happen.
3) We prepare for the worst now. TEOTWAWKI is now in my opinion inevitable & by the time this happens & all those unbelievers out there wake up to the fact that global warming is real; it will be too late to stabilize climate change. We can prepare for TEOTWAWKI, we can NOT prepare for the extinction of all life on earth. We will probably not be alive when the end comes, but the younger members of our families will go through some very hard times, & if there are any great grandchildren they will probably not survive. As I said before this is mere conjecture on my part, a guess based on present theories. We cannot tell for sure when the end will come.
TEOTWAWKI Preparations.
We need to start growing our own food supplies, & our method of gardening will need to change from the ordinary. My guess is that in Australia our winters will get milder, & our summers will get hotter. This will mean that we will have more insect pests & other creatures moving from North to South. We will have problems watering the gardens so we will have to mulch heavily, use plenty of compost, & use drip feeds & shade cloth. Here in the New England area we have noticed the extra bite in the sun, & we have been avoiding working outside in the hottest part of the day. Early morning & late afternoon working only.
We do not have air conditioning, these will become redundant anyway. Fortunately we have large windows all around the main house & three external doors & all fly screened. We have solar power to run fans & fridge/freezer, so the days inside will be at least survivable if not comfortable.
Some areas may get more floods, & other areas such as here will get less rain. Our main dam is now at an all time low! Bush fires are already increasing, so for those of us living out bush this will be a major problem. We need to widen our firebreaks, & as soon as I am back on my feet this will be a priority.
Anyone have any thoughts on further preparations needed? Are there any other likely hazards that I have not covered here?  Given that this will eventually turn into TEOTWAWKI then of course there will be all the usual security problems when the grid goes down. This is bound to happen here because our cities are run on electricity; the extra load on the grid from air conditioning use will very likely crash the grid.

Friday, March 15, 2019

Climate striker Greta Thunberg nominated for Nobel peace prize

Climate striker Greta Thunberg nominated for Nobel peace prize: Greta Thunberg, who has inspired schoolchildren around the world to go on strike in protest against climate change, has been nominated for the Nobel peace prize

Thursday, March 7, 2019

Tuesday, March 5, 2019

Ramp-up in Antarctic ice loss speeds sea level rise – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Ramp-up in Antarctic ice loss speeds sea level rise – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Ice losses from Antarctica have tripled since 2012, increasing global sea levels by 0.12 inch (3 millimeters) in that timeframe alone, according to a major new international climate assessment funded by NASA and ESA (European Space Agency).

Arctic carbon cycle is speeding up – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Arctic carbon cycle is speeding up – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: A new NASA-led study shows that the carbon cycle in the Arctic is speeding up.

Scientists ID three causes of Earth's spin axis drift – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Scientists ID three causes of Earth's spin axis drift – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: NASA has identified three processes responsible for wobbles in Earth's axis of rotation: ice mass loss primarily in Greenland, glacial rebound, and mantle convection.

2018 Arctic summertime sea ice minimum extent tied for sixth lowest on record – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

2018 Arctic summertime sea ice minimum extent tied for sixth lowest on record – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Arctic sea ice likely reached its 2018 lowest extent on Sept. 19 and again on Sept. 23, according to NASA and the NASA-supported National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) at the University of Colorado Boulder.

NASA finds Asian glaciers slowed by ice loss – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

NASA finds Asian glaciers slowed by ice loss – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Asia's high mountain glaciers are flowing more slowly as they melt, affecting the water supply of the arid plains below the peaks.

Warming seas may increase frequency of extreme storms – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Warming seas may increase frequency of extreme storms – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: A new NASA study shows that warming of the tropical oceans could lead to a 60 percent increase in the frequency of extreme rain storms by the end of the century.

Huge cavity in Antarctic glacier signals rapid decay – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Huge cavity in Antarctic glacier signals rapid decay – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: A NASA-led study has found that a giant, growing cavern two-thirds the area of Manhattan is contributing to the rapid melting of Antarctica’s Thwaites Glacier.

NASA's AIRS captures polar vortex moving in over U.S. – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

NASA's AIRS captures polar vortex moving in over U.S. – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: NASA's Atmospheric Infrared Sounder (AIRS) instrument captured the polar vortex as it moved southward from central Canada into the U.S. Midwest from January 20 to January 29.

NASA, NOAA to announce 2018 global temperatures, climate conditions – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

NASA, NOAA to announce 2018 global temperatures, climate conditions – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Climate experts from NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) will provide the annual release of global temperatures data and discuss the most important climate trends of 2018 during a media teleconference at 11:30 a.m. EST Wednesday, Feb. 6.

2018 fourth warmest year in continued warming trend, according to NASA, NOAA – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

2018 fourth warmest year in continued warming trend, according to NASA, NOAA – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Earth's global surface temperature in 2018 was the fourth warmest since 1880, according to independent analyses by NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

Drought, deluge turned stable landslide into disaster – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Drought, deluge turned stable landslide into disaster – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: For the first time, researchers have documented the transition of a stable, creeping landslide into catastrophic collapse.

Monday, March 4, 2019

The End Is Nigh!

The End Is Nigh!
How many times have we seen these words on street sandwich boards? Thousands of times worldwide, but then it was mostly of a religious nature, the so called Christian God about to strike humanity with his wrath! But global warming climate change is not about some mythical invisible God striking us all down, global warming climate change is man made, & it will be a real End Of The World event.
Why is the government doing nothing to stabilize climate change at its present level? Mostly because they are corrupt to the core & greedy. To stabilize global warming climate change at its present level all coal mines need to be closed, we need to stop burning coal & exporting coal to other countries. We need to stop destroying our forest areas for timber production, we need to stop logging. We need to stop burning oil, we need to reduce the amount of traffic on our roads.
Now this is a big ask, the big corporations will not stop production on their own accord, & the government will not force them to stop production. It all comes down to money , greed & lifestyle. The majority of people in Australia could rise up now & sack the government & take control, they could introduce a new non corrupt governing system, but they won’t. Why won’t they? Because of money & lifestyle. Miners & loggers do not want to lose their jobs, & the wealthy do not want to change their lifestyles. Well here is some news for you, as global warming climate change increases, there is likely to be massive blackouts, because as the temperature rises, air conditioners will be turned up & the grid will not be able to handle it. In the areas where it gets colder,  then electric heating will be turned up & this too will cause blackouts. No electricity = no cooking, no water, not toilets, no lighting, no heating, no cooling, the end of your lifestyle.
As for those people not wanting to lose their jobs, well there will not be any jobs on a dead planet!!! People are placing a bigger priority on making money, keeping their jobs & maintaining their present lifestyle over & above survival itself! First as global warming climate change increases, we will experience TEOTWAWKI (the end of the world as we know it). This will force a change in wealthy lifestyles because without electricity cities will close down & be dangerous places to live in. Crime rates will soar; looting, home invasions, violence & killings. Some areas will get much hotter; other places will get much colder. Extremes in weather conditions will increase; more droughts & more floods. There will be crop failures & food & water shortages. With no electricity supermarkets & fuel stations will close. No fuel=no transport. How many work places do you think will remain open with no electricity?
This could last for years, the police can’t help or protect people now, so they certainly won’t be able to help people when the shtf! The military will probably step in & martial law will be introduced, but this will only inconvenience law abiding citizens, just as our misplaced laws do now, it will not stop crime. Eventually living above ground will not be possible; many people are going to die. In the end it will mean the extinction of all life on earth, & all this because our government is corrupt & the majority of people fail to rise up & take control.

We can’t really prepare for this one, we can arm ourselves so that we can protect our families, and we can store food so we will not starve immediately. We can store water so that we do not die of thirst immediately, but many will die along the way. Every day I see a new petition on animal rights, protecting the Great Barrier Reef, stop live export, and make cannabis legally available to cancer sufferers. But where are the petitions to save the world??? Nothing else we want or need is important anymore in the face of total extinction of all life on our planet. We may survive global warming climate change, our children & our grandchildren MAY survive, but our great grandchildren MAY not survive. Think about that. Is your job or your lifestyle that important to you that you are prepared to cause the end of all life on earth?

Friday, March 1, 2019

Earth's fish are disappearing because of climate change, study says

Well it looks as though the food shortage predictions have started, there has already been news of failed crops. Before the end, & I mean END, we will be facing TEOTWAWKI, but this is not a situation that we can survive!